The missing facts in the 'United 93' movie

The missing facts in 'United 93'

Chicago Sun-Times | May 18, 2006
By Roger Ebert

From: Frank Cecrle, South Bend, IN

There are several puzzling facts that the film "United 93" does not even attempt to address. The first is the fact that Flight 93 left a debris trail extending over 8 miles long. This is not consistent with a plane "brought down" by passengers within -- but it IS consistent with a plane that was shot down.

Several witnesses reported seeing a military plane trailing United 93 shortly before the crash (consistent with the U.S. F-16 interceptor jets used to prevent this exact type of situation). Human remains of the passengers ended up MILES from Flight
93's crash site. Official sources tried to claim these things occurred since it was a windy day, and that debris might have been scattered by this wind -- but a published photo of the final impact site clearly show a tall column of smoke rising from the
wreckage straight into the air, an obvious refutation of the claim that there was enough wind that day to drag heavy debris and human remains.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_depressurisation.html

What do I take all of this to mean? I think the best explanation of these facts is that a military jet, probably an F-16 interceptor, tailed Flight 93 that day and shot it down before it could reach its intended destination. (Donald Rumsfeld, in Dec. of 2004, appears to have mixed up his lies when he referred to the jet above Pennsylvania as being "shot down.") If the U.S. government admitted to this, however, they would have to explain why F-16s weren't successfully scrambled in the same manner for those airliners that crashed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon -- the lie that is 9-11 would begin to unravel.

We are the world's foremost military power, with billions spent on fast, stealthy aircraft, yet we can't even protect our own airspace from blatant hijackings, within HOURS of the alert?! This is preposterous. Several years ago that golfer, I forget his name, passed out in his little Cessna aircraft and began to go off of his flight course. Within MINUTES, military jets were scrambled and tailing the tiny aircraft. Yet we're expected to believe that 4 separate, hijacked AIRLINERS didn't evoke the same response from our military?!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/911stand.html

The Bush administration has been caught lying when they tried to claim that the notion of hijacked jets used as weapons had never occurred to them -- internal
documents show that this idea had indeed been considered in military simulations in the recent past.

I don't know how much about the 9-11 Truth Movement you've looked into, and if you haven't heard many of its arguments, I know that I might sound like a "nut" or a "kook" to you. Yet I know that you're an intelligent man with an open mind, and that you just might take the time to sift through the facts in search of the truth. (You gave "JFK" a good review, and didn't dismiss it as the work of a crank or loony!).

http://www.911proof.com
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org

I believe that Bush's neo-cons ALLOWED 9-11 to occur (at least allowed, perhaps helped or even designed), in order to justify wars aimed at dominating the Middle East and to squelch domestic dissent here at home. The global capital that these power-players stood to acquire must have FAR outweighed the American lives they were willing to sacrifice. The neo-cons' "Project for a New American Century" basically comes out and admits these things.

They probably allowed jets to hit the Twin Towers and the Pentagon for the PR spectacle it would create (also suspicious is the fact that the Pentagon was hit on the one side that had received extra structural reinformcement, a 1 out of 5 chance, and the fact that most of the Pentagon workers in that section didn't have to report to work there on that day). But they didn't want the White House to be hit since it would make the U.S. government appear too vulnerable -- a jet hitting the Pentagon didn't do much damage, but a jet hitting the White House would have demolished it. So they probably allowed some military pilot to go ahead and shoot down Flight 93 before it could get to the White House. They gave us hyped up, "heroic" stories about Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch, and BOTH turned out to be false, blatant PR stunts designed to rally positive war sentiment at home. I see the "let's roll" aspect of Flight 93 to be a similar ploy.

I think a film like "United 93" is intended to keep the wool firmly pulled down over our eyes, to make us feel like we KNOW what happened on 9-11, so that we won't bother to look into other accounts. It might be a good film, but it is most likely FICTION, not fact. I pray that intelligent, influential men like yourself will look into these strange facts before America is lost down the road of lies forever.

United 93 is showing in Modesto.

why

ok.. conspiracy guy... dude, if people are interested they will find this info out on their own (it's out there.. in a lot of places).. you don't have to post stuff like this all the time.

Your sort of abusing the spirt of Modesto Famous... this is really conceived as a local community blog and event calender...

You know, make modesto better and let the local populace know about things in Modesto and the surrounding area.

I think your hurting it.

Conspiracy guy

We have learned that "conspiracy guy" is not happy with the millions of conspiracy theory sites out there and that he feels some need to post this useless data everywhere. He was gone for a while but as 911 movies come and go he will be back. We are not happy with him either but he feeds on attention like flys feed on feces. The more negative comments he gets, the more he comes around.

Ruben/Motown Mojo
Editor

Things that make you go hmmm

I actually don't like negative comments at all. What's wrong with talking about movies that are playing in Modesto? I think it's important to talk about the contents of this movie. We can pretend that discussion is harmful or we can engage in it. It is not true that people will seek this information out elsewhere on their own accord, unless of course you are assuming that everyone knows there is something wrong with the official story already. Those who do not know anything about it will have a chance to look into it. There is no harm or disruption to this website by posting relevant information in a blog. And by that, when people sign up and they are given a blog, is that personal blog to be used solely to talk about Modesto-related topics or is a personal blog to be used as a personal blog? Perhaps a clarification within the site should be made so that everyone knows that they shall not post anything in their personal blog about anything that does not directly relate to Modesto. Or if that's not the case?

Just ignore conspiracy guy

Just ignore conspiracy guy and eventually he will go away.

There are plenty of websites that are interested in this garbage. I don't think this is one of them.

Periodic Table of Elements - Laws of Physics vs.?

Hi William,

Do you remember when you commented on the $1,000,000 challenge to prove that the Twin Towers collapsed without the use of explosives?

Your answer was:

"Anybody got a commerical jet and a 100 story building I could ram it into???

I could use $1,000,000!!!!!"

And my reply was:

"It should be easy,...right?"

"How could a jet with low-burning fuel simultaneously melt all the huge steel beams in both towers And bring them down in less than 10 seconds? That's 10 floors collapsing every 1 second. Jet fuel burns at approximately the same temperature as kerosene. It takes at a minimum, 2,000 degrees at several hours to melt structural steel. The fire retardant that was on the steel beams bumps up the requirement to approximately 3,000 degrees to melt, and then you have to do it simultaneously And take all resistance away so that the building falls at free-fall speed so that it collapses within the 10 seconds. Looks like you won't be collecting that $1,000,000 anytime soon Bill, unless of course you can defy the laws of physics and basic high school science. Good luck!"

So William, you never replied back, and that's fine. But that leads me to believe that you haven't done any research on this, and that's okay, because a lot of people haven't looked into this because they don't want to believe that they would be mislead and deceived by their own government about an event so horrible such as 9/11. But knowing that steel framed buildings cannot simply "fall down" from fire, especially in under 10 seconds (go watch any news clips and count for yourself) which is near free-fall speed (no air resistance) also it would defy Galileo's Law of Falling Bodies. Hydrocarbon fires simply cannot reach the temperature to melt structural steel, especially with fire retardent on the beams. Each beam must be blown in a specific timing sequence to get the building to collapse in the manner and within the time that it fell, both towers that is. Did you want to refute this William, or maybe admit that you really didn't think about it beforehand? At any rate, my point is not to convince you of anything persay, just to get you to ask yourself questions and to look into the event. Why does 9/11 matter? Look around and you'll see that everything the politicians do is "for your safety", to "protect you from the terrorists", and that they must "take away some of your liberties to keep you safe and do (illegal) warrentless spying on your phone calls to help catch the terrorists". My friend, there are no terrorists. At least not of the kind the politicians speak of. But if something is wrong with 9/11, there is something wrong with our entire world of politics right now. Don't let them take away your basic constitutional rights and freedoms because of the threat of some "terrorists". It is the politicians who are terrorizing us. Research, speak out and stand up. Or you can just go back to the couch and finish watching American Idol.

-Don't worry, you can go back to sleep now, your government is in control. =)

Thank goodness!!!

I glad my government is in control. I actually could use a nap.

zzzzzzzzzzz...

Awesome

Nighty nite.